Are the Joyner rigs really that bad?  I really like the idea that it has a regular transmission in it and not a CVT belt. I also like the 4 seat option on the 650 commando.  I currently have a polaris Ranger that I have had to replace the drive clutch on several times and probably a dozen belts in the past two years.  The dealer tells me we need to run it in low range all of the time but then your always over reving the motor to get anywhare.  I picked the Ranger over the Rhino due to the extra bed space and the three person bench seat vs. the two seat only rhino.  I see Honda is coming out with a shaft drive side by side but the Joyner looks better and has the 4 seat option.