Wendover Nevada UTV Race ( Utah Racing )

Deviant_illusion · 2009-08-24 08:59:05

On another note you may not need a starting gate to compete but its kinda funny that the starting gate is where the competition generally shows up. We all think we are fast till the fast guy shows up.

I grew up playing sports like BMX, Ice Hockey, baceball we all had to pay to signup and their sure wasn't a payout for first place just trophys. We never did it for the money we did it because it was fun. If riding around the dunes is fun (and I think it is) but racing is not don't race. Does USRA have payouts for its races? No. besides winning a 70 mile race in a UTV is nothing more then a lucky day so only showing up to race and take the prize money might just be a waste of money. You migt have better luck playing the black jack table in wendover with your $60.

Just my thoughts.

MR. KRYPTONITE · 2009-08-25 21:29:51

There is a difference between $350.00 and $60.00.... I am willing to support your race and plan on attending at this point. If the entry fee was $350.00 I would not attend without a payout so it good its only 60.

Oh and by the way you asked for our input so we gave it to ya! :twisted:

A small payout is a simple thing that WILL attract more racers to ANY race.

Just a thought...

Titan · 2009-08-25 23:36:50

Bump

No go fast guys on this site? OR is it just the I hunt and use it for work and never take it out of low range crowd here?

OUCHH, THAT HURTS, I try to only use low range when mowing. 40 mph would make the feild look like hell, (Not all of us live near a desert)

RANGERDALEXP · 2009-08-26 00:40:45

Bump

No go fast guys on this site? OR is it just the I hunt and use it for work and never take it out of low range crowd here?

Well you got me pegged . I never knew i had a second gear in this thing :oops:. I think i better get a double shot of ego just to keep up with you .

Deviant_illusion · 2009-08-26 14:42:25

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No go fast guys on this site? OR is it just the I hunt and use it for work and never take it out of low range crowd here?
Well you got me pegged . I never knew i had a second gear in this thing :oops:. I think i better get a double shot of ego just to keep up with you .

I see your XR650 has a go fast kit next year they will be including bikes. And your in luck a double shot of ego is free with every sign up fee!

RANGERDALEXP · 2009-08-26 15:10:29

Thanks but no thanks, I have slowed down the last 5 years after 30 years of pushing the outer envelope with much faster stuff. Over the last 5 years I started to realized i have been very lucky but some of my old friends have not and are now just memories in my past :idea: .

Deviant_illusion · 2009-08-27 13:19:29

There is a difference between $350.00 and $60.00.... I am willing to support your race and plan on attending at this point. If the entry fee was $350.00 I would not attend without a payout so it good its only 60.
Oh and by the way you asked for our input so we gave it to ya! :twisted:
A small payout is a simple thing that WILL attract more racers to ANY race.
Just a thought...

First I want to say that's awesome your going to be their!!

Next I need to say this isn't my race. I just am trying to spread the word so others show up is all.

Also like I said in the first post if you have any input please post it on the borracing.org forum so the people who need to see it will.

I also just want to say the people who own and work for BOR are not in it for the money. If you think about all the time and money that goes into planing a large race like this its crazy. BLM permits, race insurance, course setup, course cleanup, Paying and ambulance to be their during the race. the fuel and time spent to go to race site to plan and meet with BLM. The list could go on and on. And the fact is desert racing really isn't the best spectator sport due to the fact its not short course and that makes sponsors hard to come by. Even for the UTV's say we get 10 people to show up and race at $60 that's $600 from that one class. My guess would be its somewhere around $200/hr for an ambulance so at 2.5hrs that only leaves $300 to cover race insurance BLM permits for the track and course markers and setup. So now if the where to say double the entry fee and do a payback for 2nd and 3rd that would leave a small purse of $360 to the first place winner. Now 70% of the Racers have to foot the bill for the others. Its the same for the big boys but longer race faster toys = more money.

So doing the math would tell me their plan is to have lower entry fees to get more people out their racing. And as BOR grows with more people showing up it will be much easier to find the money for a payout.

I will be racing my Teryx. Stock motor and stock suspension. I'm not going to be the fast one out their. In fact my first goal is to finish the race second goal is to finish in the top 50%.
From the sounds of who will show up their should be enough to have a "stock" and a "modified" class for the UTV's. This sounds great to me. Take that stock machine I bought to have fun with and have fun with it.

I also would like to say I own a tube bender welder and other basic fab tools. If your local and would like some help getting your UTV setup to be safer for this race I would be happy to help with in reason. (Dont show up and ask me to build a full cage for free.)

Thanks, Jake

Deviant_illusion · 2009-08-28 15:46:41

Some more new info from the BORRacing Forum

2 laps of 35 miles for the side by sides and 4 wheelers for a total of 70 miles. 2 laps of 75 miles for all other classes for a total of 150. total time limit is 8 hours. there will be limited piting up in the back side mountain section so we will be running a pit support trailer there.

Tech will be from 11am until 9pm Friday Sept. 18th

Drivers meeting will be 20 minutes before the race for side by sides and 4 wheelers and your race will start at aproximatly 6:30am

Drivers meeting for car and truck classes will be 1 hour before the race and your race will start at aproximatly 11:00am

Wendover is busy this time of year with speed week so rooms will get taken early for those of you who miss out on rooms there will be camping allowed at the main pit area.

This is a new course and about 3/4 of it has never been raced before. the new section takes you up through the mountains accross the upper flats west of wendover and drops back down through the canyons into the wendover valley. VERY COOL NEW COURSE!!!

Deviant_illusion · 2009-08-29 12:56:16

So I just wanted to let people know I took my Teryx to the 4wheel parts this morning for the pre tech. First off I want to say every one I talked with has super friendly and really want to help. Next The point they made was UTV class is here to appeal to the masses not to get the $40K full on race SxS's out their but to get the people that enjoy their UTV and would like to have some fun racing. A UTV is one of the most affordable ways to race so they dont want people to spend a ton of money doing stuff they don't need but still want every one to be safe.

Due to the intake, exhaust and CDI my UTV will race in the modified class. I will need to add some type of leg minder or door and also window nets. Their was an offer to help me with getting window nets made to fit if needed at what sounded to me like a reasonable price. IT was also suggested I change or add gussets to my harness bar since it was only 1" .095.

I don't feel like any of these changes is unreasonable as I planed to do doors and window nets anyways. I'm posting a pic of my machine so others can see where I'm at now for comparison.

I also want to say I have a tube bender welder some other basic fab tools so if their are other UTV'S that need some help getting race legal I will help where I can.

Deviant_illusion · 2009-09-01 08:44:26

So who is planing on showing up?
Anyone need help with anything?
Im going to order tube tomorrow so I can do some work this weekend so if anyone needs any door bars harness mounts what ever speakup.

RANGERDALEXP · 2009-09-01 10:30:43

So who is planing on showing up?
Anyone need help with anything?
Im going to order tube tomorrow so I can do some work this weekend so if anyone needs any door bars harness mounts what ever speakup.

Well you might still find someone that still may be interested here in your race but it is looking like you are the only one at this time with your amount of interest in it. Like they said earlier in the posting that when there is no prize money why drive hundreds of miles and beat up your equipment in a race for a five dollar trophy and risk destroying there rides just to prove something. It is a little different when you go out on a weekend trail ride with your buddy's because at that time you don't push your equipment at a 110% through the whole ride like you would have to do in a race and also on a trail ride there is no one trying to push you off the trail to get in front of you for that five dollar trophy. I think it is great that you are willing to help people to prepare for it also and that is very kind. Anyway good luck on your race and stay safe.......

Deviant_illusion · 2009-09-01 11:08:53

So who is planing on showing up?
Anyone need help with anything?
Im going to order tube tomorrow so I can do some work this weekend so if anyone needs any door bars harness mounts what ever speakup.
Well you might still find someone that still may be interested here in your race but it is looking like you are the only one at this time with your amount of interest in it. Like they said earlier in the posting that when there is no prize money why drive hundreds of miles and beat up your equipment in a race for a five dollar trophy and risk destroying there rides just to prove something. It is a little different when you go out on a weekend trail ride with your buddy's because at that time you don't push your equipment at a 110% through the whole ride like you would have to do in a race and also on a trail ride there is no one trying to push you off the trail to get in front of you for that five dollar trophy. I think it is great that you are willing to help people to prepare for it also and that is very kind. Anyway good luck on your race and stay safe.......

Again I'm not racing to "prove" anything.

How much prize money would it take to get people to race? And with that amount of prize money how much would you pay to enter that race?

My guess is unless we stick our hand out and get President Obama to have a nationalization of desert racing and let the tax payers pay for us to race the numbers just wont add up.

Is prize money the only reason no one is interested? Their can only be one winner so even if their was prize money and 20 people show up expecting to win it does that mean next race 19 of those 20 wont come back?

I have a hard time thinking Im going to take first place. I cant be the only one that thinks racing is not about the money. Again the idea is to get more people out for a race then to get that one fast guy with the $40k UTV who just shows up for the prize money.

Borracing was built by racers for racers. If you dont want to be a racer thats fine I have a hard time thinking its just about prize money for everyone.

" why drive hundreds of miles and beat up your equipment in a race for a five dollar trophy and risk destroying there rides just to prove something."

I can totally understand not wanting to drive hundreds of miles.
I can totally understand not wanting to race your machine due the the abuse it may take.
I can totally understand not wanting to risk destroying your ride.
I can not under stand how prize money would change you not wanting to do any of those things. does the prize money make it fun? Or does the race and any of the factors that come with racing make it fun?

My guess is that their could be a $1000 prize for fist place and we would still have about the same amount of people interested. The people that want to race will be their and the ones who dont want to race will always a have reason why. Some of the reasons I can fully understand. Ask me why I dont like to go snowmobiling... I hate the cold. Its not because .......... Why go out in the cold and risk getting stuck and maybe breaking through the ice if no one is going to pay me to do it.
So while money may get people to do things they dont want to do. And sure I would go snowmobiling if someone payed me. I dont think borracing is trying to get people to race if they dint want to.

RANGERDALEXP · 2009-09-01 12:40:55

Just to let you know that you are preaching to a person that has raced Drag and Road Racing along with other type of racing for 30 years in Pro and other classes. I was also big in illegal street racing way back in the early days and also drove a road race car at the world famous illegal mulholland drive in Los angles in the early 80s and it was all about the money then so i know all about racing. The prize money would go to 1st, 2nd and 3rd place and that would help offset the expenses of the trip and wear and tear on the equipment as well as future improvements. As for the rest they are on there own. 98% of people that have UTVs use them for trail riding only and to make them race course ready can really cost big money for the equipment just to pass technical. This would be the equipment just to satisfy the promoter and there insurance and would not be needed for people that trail ride. Also these requirements can change from one race to another depending on who is holding the event. I know of a lot of people that race for free and they have big pockets and do it for the rush. I was that person but without the big pockets some years ago. As i said earlier on this thread i do not really race anymore but i do support it but there should be a prize at the end to make it worth while :idea: .

Deviant_illusion · 2009-09-01 13:29:57

Just to let you know that you are preaching to a person that has raced Drag and Road Racing along with other type of racing for 30 years in Pro and other classes. I was also big in illegal street racing way back in the early days and also drove a road race car at the world famous illegal mulholland drive in Los angles in the early 80s and it was all about the money then so i know all about racing. The prize money would go to 1st, 2nd and 3rd place and that would help offset the expenses of the trip and wear and tear on the equipment as well as future improvements. As for the rest they are on there own. 98% of people that have UTVs use them for trail riding only and to make them race course ready can really cost big money for the equipment just to pass technical. This would be the equipment just to satisfy the promoter and there insurance and would not be needed for people that trail ride. Also these requirements can change from one race to another depending on who is holding the event. I know of a lot of people that race for free and they have big pockets and do it for the rush. I was that person but without the big pockets some years ago. As i said earlier on this thread i do not really race anymore but i do support it but there should be a prize at the end to make it worth while :idea: .

Ok so again I ask you and every one else. How much prize money would it take to get you out their. And with that prize money how much would you pay for a race fee.

BORracing is thinking that a lower race fee with no payout will bring more people overall out to race then a higher entry fees with a payout for a select few.

I have to say I agree with them.

All the emails I have got from people saying they are coming out are people like me who think Desert racing is cool and see a way they can take part in the fun for much much lower cost then racing a truck or buggy. We are not people looking to build full on race machiens to go race SCOrE or BITD We are just taking the same UTV's we dune and trail ride with adding some basic saftey gear that's nice to have anyways and go out and race 1 - 4 times a year.

RANGERDALEXP · 2009-09-02 11:26:34

I cant speak for everyone else or for what it would take for a prize pay out because i would never equip or enter my UTV for a race. I just don't use it for that purpose and never would. There are a few people like Jarred that have shown a little interest that can use your event for good publicity for there companies but mentioned a cash prize would also be good to have. On cash pay out for a small automotive drag race event would be anywhere between 500 to a 1000 dollars for first place and second place would normally be half that and so on for third place. The entry fee would be 60 to 100 dollars per car.

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